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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Thu 07 Oct 2010, 10:37 pm

Need to tell your boss Chavez to give you a raise.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Mon 25 Oct 2010, 11:09 am

I think I am just going to replace the 2.5L with a used low mileage one or maybe a remanufactured one. I do want a bigger engine but its not really needed plus this would be the cheapest option.
In order to do this at home or someoneís garage what do I need? Can I rent an engine hoist? Or do I need to buy one?
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 5:07 am

I'm sure someone has one. Dont know if you can rent them or not... I'll help if I can get free from work and being sick long enough to do anything...
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 6:58 pm

I've got one..............and I drink cheap Rum
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 7:14 pm

potlickinpirate wrote:
I've got one..............and I drink cheap Rum

haha how about some Venezuelan rum?
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 9:09 pm

give me a little warning and I will bring a mechanic, a truck full of tools, and a hoist..... you are right down the road brother..
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 9:11 pm

don't rent a hoist. if we can get this done in a day or weekend we can use the forklift at our shop. worst case I can even bring the forklift to your house and we can do it in the street. give your neighbors something to talk about, lol

or we can do it at my house and run a hoist to the rafters in my barn and take our time. either way I got you covered.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 9:16 pm

I have one.... its a good excuse for a coast trip, and hang with the southerners... I believe Kenny owes me a beer....
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 9:47 pm

Sweet! thanks guys!!

I really haven't found a used 4cyl with low mileage yet so I have been looking into a remanufactured engine. I emailed rebuilt-auto-engines. They sell the long block for what I think it's a good price. Includes a complete set of gaskets, oil pump and a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty. They also offer porting the cylinder head, balancing the rotating assembly and an RV cam upgrade for a few extra bucks. I don't know if need the upgrades but I guess anything that helps the little 4banger is good.

Update
Just emailed:
jeepenginesales.com
hiperformer.com
rebuiltautoengines.com
jasperengines.com (no price listed)

All of them have similar prices. I ask about the upgrades prices. I don't really know who sales a better engine.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 11:32 pm

go for the cam if it's not much more. it's a lot more bang for the buck than any CAI or other fluff hp mod you see offered. it won't make you a 4.0 but it might make it alot more bearable till you can do a V8 swap.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 9:36 am

After looking at the actual physical addresses; these three companies are the same:
jeepenginesales.com
hiperformer.com
rebuiltautoengines.com
engines made by S&S Engine Remanufacturing Co.

rebuilt-auto-engines.com are made by S&J Engine Remanufacturing Co.

Both companies located at Spokane WA .34 miles from each other so I think they have to be the same company.

jasperengines.com itís located in Jasper, IN but I think they only sell to installers. Have not heard from them yet.

you guys know of any other company?


roadkill wrote:
go for the cam if it's not much more. it's a lot more bang for the buck than any CAI or other fluff hp mod you see offered. it won't make you a 4.0 but it might make it alot more bearable till you can do a V8 swap.

cam upgrade its only $50 so it's really not much
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 10:01 am

FYI, last I knew you could buy Jasper engines through Auto Zone.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 10:20 am

Ok called greenleafauto at Seguin, they donít have any used engines, they can get me a proformace brand reman engine for $1325 + Tax + Core

AutoZone can get me either a surfire or proformace for $1439 + Tax + core. Used engines are more expensive here, donít know why.

ATK engines here in texas, $1549+Tax+Core, free shipping for new long block and core

I can get the rebuilt-auto-engines.com (S&J Engine) for $1154.00 + core charge and $175.00 freight cost. Core freight cost is on me. They offer Porting the cylinder head for $250.00, balancing the rotating assembly for $150.00 and an RV cam upgrade for $50.00. Is it a good idea to get all of the upgrades or just the cam? do the porting and balance makes a difference?

Based on number $$ the proformance brand from AutoZone is the best deal, that is if I donít want any performance upgrades. Well actually the best deal would be to find a used engine with low mileage (around 60K miles would be nice)

Update:
Jeepsareus sells low mileage engine I think last time I asked shipping was $250. No core charge. This might be the best option. I can sell the core locally and do everything under $1000, maybe? Update. They dont have any right now.


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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 4:26 pm

call these guys up, they may have a lead on a used engine for you

http://www.atomic4x4.com/
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Thu 28 Oct 2010, 11:17 am

OK guys. I cant find a good used engine so I think I have decided to go with the AutoZone remanufactured engine because I can return the core locally. Also, if anything goes wrong with the new engine (I hope not) I can just go and complain at the local store instead of sending emails and calling someone out of state.

AutoZone offers two brands. There is no difference in the long block prices just the core prices. The brands they offer are Surfire (Autozone brand) and Proformance. I am leaning towards Proformance. What do you all think?

I will probably order it tomorrow. It takes about 10 days to get it here probably less. I am thinking we can do the install one of the following weekends:

Weekend of November 20th
Weekend of Novermber 27th
Weekend of December 4th

What weekend works best for you guys?
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Thu 28 Oct 2010, 7:03 pm

I know nothing about either brand. Either way they're still factory blocks that are simply being rebuilt, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Thu 28 Oct 2010, 7:35 pm

Deacon wrote:
I know nothing about either brand. Either way they're still factory blocks that are simply being rebuilt, right?

Yeah pretty much. Well actually the correct word would be remanufactured. Both are remanufactured blocks.
My understanding is that remanufactured means that the engine is totally redone to the original blueprints and exact specifications but in the case of a rebuilt engine the repair is done up to the level of failure. I learned this today.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Thu 28 Oct 2010, 11:47 pm

call up tricounty, I couldn't find the part I was talking about but it is called an inertia ring. basicly it's weights that you attach to your flywheel and keeps your engine turning when your on the rocks ie, harder to stall) they may not have it up on the site since the 2.5 market has dwindled since that engine was discontinued but I bet they either have a few of them in stock or could make you one. now would be a good time to install one eepecially if your gonna keep the 2.5 for any length of time
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Fri 29 Oct 2010, 12:01 am

I would say the 27th. That would avoid the conflicts here on the forum.

I will still have to get approval from my 2 bosses (the one that pays me, and the one I live with) Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:33 am

roadkill wrote:
call up tricounty, I couldn't find the part I was talking about but it is called an inertia ring. basicly it's weights that you attach to your flywheel and keeps your engine turning when your on the rocks ie, harder to stall) they may not have it up on the site since the 2.5 market has dwindled since that engine was discontinued but I bet they either have a few of them in stock or could make you one. now would be a good time to install one eepecially if your gonna keep the 2.5 for any length of time
OK. Thanks. I'll give them a call sometime today.


potlickinpirate wrote:
I would say the 27th. That would avoid the conflicts here on the forum.

I will still have to get approval from my 2 bosses (the one that pays me, and the one I live with) Shocked
OK, Thanks Randy, just let me know.




How about Scott and Kenny? the 27th works for you guys?

Just ordered the proformance engine! Picking it up on the 5th!
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:21 pm

Is there anything that I should replace while the engine is out? I already ordered a banks torque header, new clutch kit (since it's still making that knocking sound). What else would you guys recommend?
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:59 pm

Water pump, belt and hoses, mounts. When I put an engine in I don't want to go back 2 weeks later to replace something silly. You also don't want to jeopordize the new engine by trying to save $30 on an old water pump. Tune up stuff would be good also.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Sat 30 Oct 2010, 1:37 am

potlickinpirate wrote:
Water pump, belt and hoses, mounts. When I put an engine in I don't want to go back 2 weeks later to replace something silly. You also don't want to jeopordize the new engine by trying to save $30 on an old water pump. Tune up stuff would be good also.

Water pump, thermostat, belt, fan clutch, hoses, radiator, all have around 5K miles on them (replaced them Nov. last year). Should I replace them? ...Just ordered new mounts, injectors, tune up kit
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Mon 01 Nov 2010, 10:43 am

FYI,

If the engine comes with a warranty, read the fine print. They may require you to have a new waterpump, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Saving for an engine swap. Need your input   Mon 01 Nov 2010, 3:45 pm

Hemi_Tim aka thebigtman wrote:
FYI,

If the engine comes with a warranty, read the fine print. They may require you to have a new waterpump, etc.

Thanks Tim. I ordered a new water pump. Even though the one I have it's relative new I donít want to risk it. I will read the fine print once I get the engine to see what else they require.

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