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PostSubject: Too many choices on JK lifts   Wed 20 Oct 2010, 11:20 pm

So, I just sold a set of coilovers off my race car. I was thinking what more appropriate purchase could I make but a new lift for the JK. I have the cash on hand so I can do it right and don't mind paying for it if it's worth the money.So, high end, $1200 or so, or I can go for a $500-600 lift and put the rest toward other upgrades like tires.

These were some of the ones I was looking at in the ~$1200 range:

1) http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_jk_4flex.html

2) http://www.full-traction.com/detail.php?MODELID=24&MAKEID=1&TYPEID=1&PRODUCTID=492&NOTES=

3) http://www.ruggedridgeoffroad.com/jeep-wrangler-jk-rubicon-orv-lift-kits.php

I hear the Rubicon Express products are nice but man they are proud of them. Their equivalent to these is $1600

Or, should I just save my cash for other upgrades and get something like this.

http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_jk_3-seriesII.html
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 6:52 am

Just make sure you do your homework before you buy.

I have seen too many people get something then have to upgrade because they are not happy.

If you "need" a lift right now you could go with spacers until you really know what you want.

I swear by Poly Performance. Yes it is expensive, but it is good quality and customer service is great.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 8:25 am

Unfortunately, and I don't think I am the only one, I keep thinking I have my mind made up and then I find a post that talks me out of it. I think any of the $1200 kits would be fine, I guess maybe what I am curious about is whether I'd be 80-90% happy with something 50%the price. I don't just want to spend money for the sake of spending money.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 9:57 am

If you're going on sunday, don't think about lifts until then (or at least try not too). You can check out the different lifts and hear/see the differences. Mine is a 3" frankenlift and I'm fairly happy with it, but want to add other components to tune it a little.

There should be a decent sampling of lifts there on sunday. Nailing down a brand and lift kit is a hard decision.
you haven't mentioned exactly what you want the lift to do for you. Rock crawling% vs Daily Diving duty / Hwy % ? Tire size you want to run? how often you intend to wheel ? All of these will (or at least should) play a factor in lift choice. Shocks also make a big difference in ride quality.

I agree with Jeff. If you want tires on NOW, then throw on a budget boost and then plan out your lift from there. Pick up a used one cheap or on ebay for ~$100 or less.

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 10:12 am

None of the three on your list are worth a crap.

If you want to spend in the $1200 range look at Polys stage 1 lift and AEV Nth degree. What ever you do, avoid Full traction at all cost.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 10:35 am

terrahawk wrote:
None of the three on your list are worth a crap.

If you want to spend in the $1200 range look at Polys stage 1 lift and AEV Nth degree. What ever you do, avoid Full traction at all cost.

I don't totally agree with the Full Traction comment. But if I were to do it all again, I would look at RockKrawler, Poly Performance or even Teraflex.

I will let you know what I don't like about the FT kit. They have/had issues with their bushings. I just replaced a set on the lower control arms.
The new ones they sent me, keep in mind, no charge to me, are more like the stock type bushings, no maintenance. Much better quality.

The front lower control arms are too straight for me. Most others have a little bend to give more clearance. Not 100% sure if it makes a big difference, as I seem to be able to go where I want to.
Besides that, they are beefy and strong.

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 10:37 am

BTW, just make sure your control arms are adjustable, so you can adjust your pinion for when you lift it.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 10:51 am

I almost went on a rant about how those prices are ridiculous for what's included, but I'll keep that to myself. I am intimately familiar with fabrication and design in the racing industry. I have designed and produced many custom and short run production items and all I can say is that they should be making a killing off of either of those kits. For that price, I'll buy some coil springs, shocks and fab something up myself.

terrahawk wrote:
None of the three on your list are worth a crap.

If you want to spend in the $1200 range look at Polys stage 1 lift and AEV Nth degree. What ever you do, avoid Full traction at all cost.

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 11:42 am

This looks like a decent kit, just need some shocks to go with it.

3.5" Mid Arm Flex Suspension System by Rock Krawler
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=15422&utm_source=Affiliate&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Default

This kit at least comes with shocks (when bought from this vendor)
Rubicon Express JK 3.5" SUPER-FLEX
http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/rubicon-express-superflex-door-mono-tube-shocks-p-5361.html
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 3:08 pm

I have the Full Traction kit you are looking at and I love it. What you have to look at is the fact that your jeep spends 90% of the time on the pavement and the other off road. With the FT kit you have the oem type bushing at the frame to keep down the noise and gives you a smoother ride. Stay away from Rubicon Express. Don't get me wrong it's a good product but rides hard as hell, it has good flex, but not any more than any other for me to want to have the STIFF ride it gives. With the SRS bushings that come with FT you DO NOT have to worry about greasing your poly bushings to keep them quite.

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 3:22 pm

Thanks for the feedback! At the rate I'm going, my JK is going to be quite similar to yours. I plan to keep the factory wheels and just go with bigger tires, I think the factory wheels are more tasteful than a majority of the aftermarket offerings...I just wish I could widen them a bit.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 5:27 pm

Poly stage one..... You can build from there if/when you want to. The RK 2.5 is also nice and both have very good customer service. Life time warranty on the hard parts too.

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 7:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 8:50 pm

rlogan wrote:
Thanks for the feedback! At the rate I'm going, my JK is going to be quite similar to yours. I plan to keep the factory wheels and just go with bigger tires, I think the factory wheels are more tasteful than a majority of the aftermarket offerings...I just wish I could widen them a bit.

I agree there's only a small handful of after market rims I like

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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Thu 21 Oct 2010, 10:43 pm

I still go back and forth myself, but I'm pretty sure that I'm going to get the Teraflex 2.5" Coil Lift w/Shocks: http://www.teraflex.biz/products/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/2/1251002_v1_05032010.jpg. It's around $700. I'll also get an adjustable front track bar. I don't think control arms are really needed with a 2.5" Lift. I've heard nothing but good things about Teraflex. I hope to pull the trigger on this in the next couple of months!! I have 33s but just want a little more room than what I currently have with the Teraflex Leveling Kit.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 9:04 am

Mr.RonGilbert wrote:
This is a really nice kit..

http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31123

x2 on this one. When/IF I redo my lift, RK will be in the forefront of choices. It's actually 3" lift in the front and 2" in the rear. I'd throw on some teraflex 1/2" spacers in the rear, but I don't mind having a slight rake. But, I'd go with the Max Travel lift since it come with many of the "extras" you buy with other lifts.

poly is expensive, but comes with quite a bit. they don't just include a rear drop bracket like most kits, they acutally include a heavy duty bracket that won't rip off. They also include some "extras" that don't come on budget kits.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 10:08 am

Trying to find a price on that kit...I found this one...I do definitely like the RK products...

http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/rock-krawler-wrangler-35��-flex-system-p-7742.html
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 1:53 pm

contact Rock Krawler on JK Owners with the link Ron listed.

what size tires do you plan to run?

if:

35s, I'd go with the 2.5" max travel lift
37s, I'd go with the 3.5" max travel lift

you can still run 37s with the 2.5" lift but will need flat fenders or cut your stock fenders.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 1:54 pm

35s
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 2:33 pm

Check with Marcus at River City Offroad in Austin... he takes care of folks.

sales@rivercityoffroad.com

RK 2.5 kit
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 4:04 pm

So, the 2.5" Max Travel and the 3.5" Flex are the same price...main pro of 2.5" is the fact that it is less likely to have to deal with driveshaft issues, and with the 3.5" the pros are pretty obvious assuming I wanted the height. Am I overlooking anything? It looks like the 2.5" was developed for max travel with the least amount of lift, correct?
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 5:34 pm

I don't know JK's too well, but the less the height, the fewer the issues you have to deal with period (control arm angles, caster angle, driveshaft angle or maybe CV replacement, steering and drag link angles, etc). Plus it's easier to get into and out of, hehe Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 6:19 pm

So, if the 2.5" is enough to clear 35s I guess I'll stick with it; and, it sounds like that's the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Fri 22 Oct 2010, 7:16 pm

It will, Jeremy makes some good stuff.

Another option for purchase is this guy, will save a little on tax..

http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28612


If it were me I would buy from River City, just to support a Texas vendor.

You can also call RK direct and order.

Either way - you will be fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Too many choices on JK lifts   Mon 25 Oct 2010, 10:06 pm

Ok, called RK...going with the 2.5 Max Travel...and they say most all of the parts will carry over if/when I decide to go to 3.5 later...
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