A step towards socialism, or a step in the right d

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

http://change.gov/americaserves/


A good thing, or a step toward socialism?


Personally- I say if you want financial aid in college, do community service. But those paying their own way should be offered a discounted tuition for doing so.

Middle school & High School- I don't see how it could work. I could see a lot of kids dropping out or being home schooled to avoid the community service requirements.

I also say- let the able-bodied welfare recipients get out and do community service every week! If they're going to get a hand out, at least make them provide some sort of service to receive it.

N2rock wrote:

Personally- I say if you want financial aid in college, do community service. But those paying their own way should be offered a discounted tuition for doing so.

Middle school & High School- I don't see how it could work. I could see a lot of kids dropping out or being home schooled to avoid the community service requirements.

I also say- let the able-bodied welfare recipients get out and do community service every week! If they're going to get a hand out, at least make them provide some sort of service to receive it.

I agree completely. :agreed:

hmmmm... pointed out in another forum that this "plan" may actually be unconstitutional

the constitution - Amendment 13 regarding slavery:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

N2rock wrote:

I also say- let the able-bodied welfare recipients get out and do community service every week! If they're going to get a hand out, at least make them provide some sort of service to receive it.

Going to be a touchy area. BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENT. Unfortantly with my work, I see the lazy hand out type ALL the time. And guess what...it only going to get worse!

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I also say- let the able-bodied welfare recipients get out and do community service every week! If they're going to get a hand out, at least make them provide some sort of service to receive it.

Back in the early days of the Roosevelts "New Deal" this is pretty much what people had to do, only they called it work LOL.

N2rock wrote:

hmmmm... pointed out in another forum that this "plan" may actually be unconstitutional

the constitution - Amendment 13 regarding slavery:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The draft isn't unconstitutional, or is it? I think it is a good idea. A lot of federal money, taxes we pay, goes to the schools. Gives people a way to serve without joining the military.

Personally, I say everyone should go in the military for a couple years but that isn't really feasable.

Did I just agree with Obama?

jdldx3 wrote:

N2rock wrote:

hmmmm... pointed out in another forum that this "plan" may actually be unconstitutional

the constitution - Amendment 13 regarding slavery:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The draft isn't unconstitutional, or is it? I think it is a good idea. A lot of federal money, taxes we pay, goes to the schools. Gives people a way to serve without joining the military.

Personally, I say everyone should go in the military for a couple years but that isn't really feasable.

Did I just agree with Obama?

Everyone joining the military....very very bad idea for some. The military honestly isn't for everyone, thats why the draft didn't work. People who didn't want to go ended up dead.

MudHound wrote:

jdldx3 wrote:

N2rock wrote:

hmmmm... pointed out in another forum that this "plan" may actually be unconstitutional

the constitution - Amendment 13 regarding slavery:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The draft isn't unconstitutional, or is it? I think it is a good idea. A lot of federal money, taxes we pay, goes to the schools. Gives people a way to serve without joining the military.

Personally, I say everyone should go in the military for a couple years but that isn't really feasable.

Did I just agree with Obama?

Everyone joining the military....very very bad idea for some. The military honestly isn't for everyone, thats why the draft didn't work. People who didn't want to go ended up dead.

Totally agree- the military is not for everyone. Plus think of the budget that would be required if we had every high school grad each year going into the military. The military would become massive. And then those that didn't want to be there would be a disruption to the entire process.

MudHound wrote:

Everyone joining the military....very very bad idea for some. The military honestly isn't for everyone, thats why the draft didn't work. People who didn't want to go ended up dead.

Actually, I think everybody should have to serve a two year tour of duty and serve in the reserves 10 years after just like our friends in the IDF. That might instill a little discipline back into our society which is something that is severly lacking.

terrahawk wrote:

MudHound wrote:

Everyone joining the military....very very bad idea for some. The military honestly isn't for everyone, thats why the draft didn't work. People who didn't want to go ended up dead.

Actually, I think everybody should have to serve a two year tour of duty and serve in the reserves 10 years after just like our friends in the IDF. That might instill a little discipline back into our society which is something that is severly lacking.

Some discipline in society would get a good thing, also alot less fat people too but hey we can't have everything

Yeah, we need to get rid of those dirty, rotten fat bastards. Scum of the earth. Maybe stick 'em all in ovens like the Jews. They would burn a long time because they are so fat. Then we could use them to boil water and make steam and then make electricity. Run the country off of burning fat people.....

That's politically correct? HAHA

dabshr wrote:

That's politically correct? HAHA

Yeah, but he has this... so he can say whatever he wants LOL

yeah baby! :soldier:

N2rock wrote:

dabshr wrote:

That's politically correct? HAHA

Yeah, but he has this... so he can say whatever he wants LOL

Look, a picture of a fat guy.....

And an old fat guy at that.....

you shouldn't call him FAT

you Should say "ALTERNATIVE FUEL?" LOL :soldier:




Hope thats .308 not .223?

dabshr wrote:

you shouldn't call him FAT

you Should say "ALTERNATIVE FUEL?" LOL :soldier:




Hope thats .308 not .223?

You are correct sir....its a .308. Had to use the old "double as a deer rifle" trick to get it past the wife.....

Sweet!
7.62x54
That's good for 500+ yards? (I think) Those small white tails will feel as if hell its self has descended upon them!

7.62x54 is the russian version. the .308 is 7.62x51 and depending on the riffle and shooter, effective kill range is out to 1000 yards. with me behind a bad ass half MOA rifle... i'd be able to hit a 100 yr old oak tree at about 20 - 30 feet :hypnotized: damn wall-eye vision.

even a .223 has an effective kill range of 300 - 500 yrd. black hills makes a 75 gr BTHP that was originally developed for the military. I like the Federal 69 gr match grade BTHP, much cheaper and more readily available than black hills. AR-15.com has some pretty good info.

Yup, hope to find some Black Hills MOD 1's or maybe Hornady 75 gr TAPS for the home.