TSJM questions

As the self-apponted houston area trail coordinatior and official trail leader and grand pooh-bah of all things jeep I have a few important questions for the people who run things (jeep-nation officers)

1. why are we e-mailing info? this forum is for that info......and it is for all to see, not just the folks on ya'll's email list

2. the more links to the meet on here the higher its google ranking......try googleing "texas size jeep meet" .......everything comes up except this site

3. if i understand the last email right, raffle tickets are only avalible to those who pre-pay????<-------hopefully not true

3a. lots of folks will probably show up without pre-paying or pre-registering.......this always happens at any large event, as of right now noone has replied to the meet thread on jkowners but i know for a fact several folks from there are comming

now on to the update email and my official question on it(in red no less)






Dear all,







Just wanted to let you know that some of the Officers went
to visit Tree’s this past weekend. We wanted to see the place as well as
get a little more info and questions answered for our meet. It was a great
visit and I will tell you that Bob & Kenneth were extremely helpful and are
excited about our up and coming trip. Here are a couple bullet points and info
we have to share.







1.
The directions off the Tree’s web-site were perfect,
and it was easy to find



2.
It was about 200 miles from San Antonio and it took us
about 2 ½ hours to get there



3.
The ranch is huge



4.
The Frio Canyon Lodge where several of us have reservations
is 25 minutes from the ranch, its not that far but the roads are windy



5.
They will have leaders that will go with each of our
groups<------do they have thier own rigs? ride with us? will we be able to pick our own groups? are these leaders going to say " oh its a jk, lets go on the easy trails?"....




6.
They have all levels of off-roading<-----from what i understand the main roads are about 1.5 diamonds




7.
We will need to take all trash completely off the ranch
when we leave so take lots of trash bags



8.
The bunkhouse is ruff



9.
We can arrive Friday afternoon pretty much any time
after 3pm



10.
They have a covered barn with a welder and compressor
if we need it, they even have a spare drive shaft and ½ of a axle left there
if we need one<------what does that mean??? if you plan to run 3-4 trails bring spares




11.
The RV sites are in the front close to the office; flat,
rocks and no trees



12.
The camping area is next to the RV area



13.
All vehicles will be given a tag and all visitors a arm
band



14.
There is a burn ban in effect but BBQ pits are fine



15.
There is a brief each morning about 8:30



16.
Plan to take your lunch once we are out on the trail
its about 15-30 minutes just to get back to camp so they usually stay out all
day



17.
They usually head back to camp around 5pm unless the
group wants to come in earlier<----what about later??




18.
The restrooms are located in the bunkhouse



19.
This is a rain or shine event


sorry for all the ??'s but i along with most of the houston group, cant stand someone else telling us what to do.......

manditory trail leaders rub most of us the wrong way from previous experience, we have had leaders take us on the bunny slopes because our jeeps were new and shiney.....


ok rip into me :explosive:

No worries, here is answers to your questions;

1. We email because not everyone reads the forum, a couple guys on the email have never been to the forum so just trying to cover all the bases
2. Since we just got the web-site it takes a month or two for it to show up on the search engines, we have listed them on there but they take there sweet time in getting it set up
3. A raffle ticket will be given to each rig that enters the park, it is not pre-registered only
4. Their leaders have their own rigs, we pick our own groups how big or small and then tell them what level of trail we want. I will tell you they are very excited about us coming and want to please us. The guys seem very nice
5. The main roads are very bumpy, it is rocks up there not like KAtemcy but small rock roads, no dirt or gravel
6. The spare parts they have were just left by someone, this is like all the other parks if you want to you can break something
7. You can probably stay out a little later but they don't do night wheeling

I really think we will have fun with these guys (trail leaders), they seem to fit right in with us when we were there

CRUX wrote:

Also, they stated that they would determine who goes with who based on rig set-up. ie - Lockers/no lockers, tire size, etc.

Renee10 wrote:

4. Their leaders have their own rigs, we pick our
own groups how big or small and then tell them what level of trail we
want. I will tell you they are very excited about us coming and want to
please us. The guys seem very nice

so which is it?

what does lockers/no lockers have to do with any thing? my little group has locked and unlocked rigs.......we wheel together ..........jk's can run 4's with no lockers............5's are too much for any jk

Just stating what they told us. They said on quite a few trails, 35 c axles are toast. They also mentioned that we could pick who we want to wheel with, but as long as the rigs are similarly modified. They also mentioned some trails may require lockers, and tire size would also play a part. That just what we were told. And not everyone is running a JK.

ok we are trying to figure out if our group will be able to wheel together.

Our Group has lots of diff rigs, 3 have lockers and 3 don't...we like to wheel together because we know what each others rigs are capable of and we know how each driver handles their rig.....we are comfortable spotting for each other. Most of us don't want to be split up...esp. me and Geo....I would hate to get there and be told that I can not wheel in Geo's group because I am lockerless.....

I don't think it that critical. They are just airing on the side of caution. They have seen lots of breakdowns because people didn't heed their advise. Most trails have bypasses, some don't. The terrain looked a lot like Longs Ranch. We didn't go on any trails, really. They took Renee down one, & she said it seemed good to go. Don't remember what the rating was. The ranch roads like you mentioned are fairly rough.

cool.....

you know we went to Barnwell Mt a few weeks ago...we did every 3 and 4 there it everyone there could do the 3's with out any problems those who were with out lockers had to work at it to get through the 4's but everyone made it with out any breaks

Question:

Will there be any wheeling without a guide?









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How many guides will they have? We're going to have a lot of rigs. So I'm curious to what size the groups will be which will depend on how many guides they have.

They said they will have as many guides as we need, they have had over 100 rigs out there before with no problem. Guys you can pick who goes with who, no worries, like Adam said they have bypasses so if you have a rig in your group that can't make the trail, they can take the bypass :driving:

N2rock wrote:

How many guides will they have? We're going to have a lot of rigs. So I'm curious to what size the groups will be which will depend on how many guides they have.

Steve, did you check your pm's that is a hell of a deal on that set of axles!

Axles, did someone say AXLES????????

how close is the closest fule station?

You mean fuel? If so, maybe 20-30 miles. Not too bad :nahnahna2:

328 miles to have only one good day of wheeling. Cant wheel any where we want. 8:30am meeting to get the group ready to go out to wheel, sounds like only going to get to wheel about 5 or 6 hours by the time you break for lunch and then got to be in by dark. Not interested, hope yall have fun.






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redneckhouston wrote:

sorry for all the ??'s but i along with most of the houston group, cant stand someone else telling us what to do.......

manditory trail leaders rub most of us the wrong way from previous experience, we have had leaders take us on the bunny slopes because our jeeps were new and shiney.....

Paul08Wrangler wrote:

328 miles to have only one good day of
wheeling. Cant wheel any where we want. 8:30am meeting to get the group
ready to go out to wheel, sounds like only going to get to wheel about
5 or 6 hours by the time you break for lunch and then got to be in by
dark. Not interested, hope yall have fun.
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I agree. I have never had "trail guides" before and have wheeled in some of the most wide open parts of the country (Montana, Washington, Utah, California). Never got lost and we were able to figure out which trails we could take all by ourselves. Is there anyplace a group of friends can just go wheel and hang out?

jdldx3 wrote:

redneckhouston wrote:

sorry for all the ??'s but i along with most of the houston group, cant stand someone else telling us what to do.......

manditory trail leaders rub most of us the wrong way from previous experience, we have had leaders take us on the bunny slopes because our jeeps were new and shiney.....

Paul08Wrangler wrote:

328 miles to have only one good day of
wheeling. Cant wheel any where we want. 8:30am meeting to get the group
ready to go out to wheel, sounds like only going to get to wheel about
5 or 6 hours by the time you break for lunch and then got to be in by
dark. Not interested, hope yall have fun.
.

I agree. I have never had "trail guides" before and have wheeled in some of the most wide open parts of the country (Montana, Washington, Utah, California). Never got lost and we were able to figure out which trails we could take all by ourselves. Is there anyplace a group of friends can just go wheel and hang out?

Barnwell Mountain, Shiloh Ridge, Katemcy Rocks, Clayton Oklahoma, Spring Creek Off Road, Hot springs Arkansas, Brazos Valley Off Road, Boulder Creek, and probably a lot more that I haven't been to.







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jdldx3 wrote:

redneckhouston wrote:

sorry for all the ??'s but i along with most of the houston group, cant stand someone else telling us what to do.......

manditory trail leaders rub most of us the wrong way from previous experience, we have had leaders take us on the bunny slopes because our jeeps were new and shiney.....

Paul08Wrangler wrote:

328 miles to have only one good day of
wheeling. Cant wheel any where we want. 8:30am meeting to get the group
ready to go out to wheel, sounds like only going to get to wheel about
5 or 6 hours by the time you break for lunch and then got to be in by
dark. Not interested, hope yall have fun.
.

I agree. I have never had "trail guides" before and have wheeled in some of the most wide open parts of the country (Montana, Washington, Utah, California). Never got lost and we were able to figure out which trails we could take all by ourselves. Is there anyplace a group of friends can just go wheel and hang out?

Ah man, I seriously thought this was supposed to be something like Longs (the 1st time around).

I admit I didn't/haven't read the whole website for Trees and that was/is my fault.

I've read over this thread and talked to the other half...We are not going to make. Thats just too much $$$ and too many miles for 1 day of wheeling.

I know its not that bad for the SA group but its a different story for us.

Maybe someone could help us change our minds, like:

Allowing us to go up Friday afternoon...wheel the rest of the time...camp...then Sat meet the WHOLE group for this 8:30'ish (ugh) drivers meeting...take off and go wheel...take a break either on the trails or at camp for lunch...chill out a little...go back out wheeling...come back for some dinner...BS around...wheel a little more...and go back to camp for a lil sleep...sleep in a little on Sunday...go wheel the good spots one last time and then take back off for the trip back to Houston!

Whatcha say?


PS...
Yes, this lil Houston crowd is very diverse and does things a lil different...BUT DAMNIT WE HAVE A GOOD TIME DOING IT

I'm not sure why you guys think its only one day of wheeling, its Sat & Sun and I bet if we get there before dark on Friday the guys would probably take us out ( I will confirm). It is a weekend of wheeling. :rolleyes2:

I think the reason they think we will not be able to wheel on sunday is because we have a 6 hour trip home and I know most of them will have to work on Monday and will need to be home at a some what reasonable time.....most of the Houston crowd would have to leave there around noon which wouldn't give us much time on Sunday to do anything.

if the Sunday morning meeting lasts an hour that only gives us...2 1/2 hours to wheel and if the trails are 20 min from camp that cuts another 40 min of our wheeling time

jeeperjennie wrote:

I think the reason they think we will not be able to wheel on sunday is because we have a 6 hour trip home and I know most of them will have to work on Monday and will need to be home at a some what reasonable time.....most of the Houston crowd would have to leave there around noon which wouldn't give us much time on Sunday to do anything.

if the Sunday morning meeting lasts an hour that only gives us...2 1/2 hours to wheel and if the trails are 20 min from camp that cuts another 40 min of our wheeling time

Exactly what I was saying^^^^^^^^^^agree 100%^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^








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...all I know is that I wanted to wheel with the folks I know from the Houston crew...Steve, Geo, Jennie, Shannon - now I'm wondering if I'm gonna be shuttled over to another group as I am not running 35's and lockers?! No offense to anyone else it's just more comfortable runnin with folks you know and have been out with before & know you can trust...
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