Club Issues

The picture showed us taking off the jeep nation stickers so we can put our new ones on....but here is my .02, I never had problems with yall until I noticed how the chapters are not really affiliated with the club...the Houston chapter bitched about how the SA chapter had more pull over things than the other chapters. I’ve talked to some other Jeep Nation members who are not in the Waco chapter and they feel the same about this as I do. I can’t say who, because yall will just hang them out to dry like you are trying to hang me out to dry.

Let me ask this… when Crux resigned as VP why didn’t yall give the position to one of the Houston members or a Waco member? All the club officers are based out of the SA chapter. If you didn’t want to give someone in Houston or Waco the president or VP jobs why not give someone the club officer position? At least that way there were be input from somewhere else other than SA. When I realized SA ran the club, I started thinking about breaking off.

the icing on the cake… When my wife worked on your sponsorship package for 3 weeks on her own time and I sent it you. Y’all flushed it down the toilet and basically went back to the same sponsorship package from last year. I mean if yall didn’t want her help then what was the point of asking her to do it? She does this for a living she knows what she is talking about.

I'm not going to speak on behalf of Renee or Richard, but I stepped down because I felt I wasn't utilizing myself to the potential of VP. I figure someone else might be willing and able to devote more time /energy than I did. The decision came up abruptly for me, and I think they handled it as best as they could.

And the reason the officers are based in S.A. is the fact that we were asked to participate as officers before there was ever an H-town or Waco chapter.

Here is a quick brief on the club for those that may not know the story.

I started the club two years ago and wanted a club that was not traditional with officers, dues, meetings, meeting minutes, treasury reports and on and on and on. I had done that before with the bicycle club I started 7 years ago and it was a lot of work, you have 20% of the people doing 80% of the work, and believe me its a lot of work. The purpose of this club was to just get people together to have fun, nothing hard, no difficult rules to abide by. In doing this I arranged jeep meets and outings, as we grew we started posting runs on the forum for people to vote on.

The idea of having a VP was to help me when I needed it. The Chapter leaders came in as we grew and just needed someone in the area to help with some jeep meets or install parties. Here again I did not want this to become work for anyone, just people getting together for fun.

I am sorry to hear that some of our Waco members want to break off, but I wish them all the best, and I hope we get to see them on the trail some time.

Lets not turn this in to more than it is, I understand that not evryone likes everyone else, thats just part of life and life is SHORT so spend it the best way you can and lets make the glass half full...not empty.

Thanks to everyone for your input, suggestions and help with this club...now lets go wheel and enjoy life!!!!!!!!!!!

President, Vice President, Secretary's, Treasurer's, and so forth brings this kind of politics. If yall want to get together and just have fun and wheel with each other than that's what you should do. All the other stuff causes what is going on right now, separation, animosity, bickering and so forth. I personally will never belong to a wheelin organization that is so structured that wheelin becomes back burner to meetings, dues, voting, and so on. All you need to get a group of friends together and wheel is ASK!





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Well said Renee lets just wheel.

I called it in my original post on the "Thanks" thread. He was looking for more power. The ironic thing for what we all want I don't see how any of the chapter leaders/VPs has anything to do with wheeling. It is just for helping with stuff to get organized. Yea is sucks that they didn't take your wife's input. But what does that have to do with wheeling?

It really has nothing to do with power. All we wanted was a group of friends that will support each other. If someone asks for help then you help them. If someone offers help dont refuse it. Its about respect and being genuine. Not a half assed group that is run mostly by posting your ideas. Its what happens in the real world that matters. I love the idea of Jeep Nation. Most of you are great. I understand that this is a forum. There is really nothing here but text. Some people mean what they say, others just shoot something off because it sounds good. I can respect anyone that stands behind thier words.
By the way, collecting dues not only helps out with what people ask for. IE stickers, shirts ect...... It also weeds out the people that join because its there. People that would rather sit behind thier computer and write posts. I want to wheel and have fun with people that care and will be there. If you dont have the passion to put up then maybe you should hang it up?
I know that this will bring all sorts of negative comments. The main building blocks of our new club, is built on what Renee wanted when she first started. I am sorry that it has come to all of this trouble for everyone. When the dust settles I hope that we can share the trails and just have fun.

Sunburst JK wrote:
I am sorry that it has come to all of this trouble for everyone. When
the dust settles I hope that we can share the trails and just have fun.

Only trouble is yall keep posting up about why you left and all the bad people here that don't want to help people and so forth.

As for the last sentence, we could have all shared the trails when you were still participating on this forum properly. You chose to leave so that should be the end of it but, I'll bet you and your people will have many more posts here before it's all said and oh yea the dust settles.











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Like I said in the "Thanks" thread, I wish you the best of luck with OJC..

As one voice from Houston, I could care less who is the VP/P/Janitor whatever.... I don't want to do it and don't really care where they are from. I know it takes work and I am thankful that there are people who have the energy for it. I like to wheel.... and I like to wheel with people I know. I have had a blast with the Houston group and with everyone else that I have wheeled with - no matter what flag they are flying. I am not much of a "flag flier" myself but the Jolly Roger just looks kick ass IMO....

A forum is just that.... a place to post up your thoughts. We may bitch a little here and there but we do take care of each other.

Just keep it respectful

Yeah what he said


Can I fly my freak flag now can I can I please

Paul and RG- y'all took the words right out of my mouth

Who needs politics? All we need/want is wheeling!

Sunburst JK wrote:

It really has nothing to do with power. All we wanted was a group of friends that will support each other. If someone asks for help then you help them. If someone offers help dont refuse it. Its about respect and being genuine. Not a half assed group that is run mostly by posting your ideas. Its what happens in the real world that matters.

I've been reluctant to say anything until now, but this statement just pissed me off. I know for a fact that anyone in Jeep Nation, especially the H-town group, if I needed anything they would be there to help, and vice versa.

I hate to use Jody as an example but when his rig broke down on the way to Trees last year, Crux let us use his house, tools etc. to try to get his rig back on the road. When it failed we pulled my rig off the trailer and put his on it for the rest of the trip... When Jody had a blowout and wrecked his rig, who did he call, Geo. This is just two examples of many.

If you don't think this group has any respect or is not genuine, then we don't need you.

Here is my thoughts on the situation. It looks like a power thing and control thing. You guys want more structure, more say, more control then so be it. I think thats why alot of people here like Jeep Nation is because the lack of structure, politics, drama, etc.

justinajeep wrote:

The picture showed us taking off the jeep nation stickers so we can put our new ones on....

Stiill pretty tacky


the icing on the cake… When my wife worked on your sponsorship package for 3 weeks on her own time and I sent it you. Y’all flushed it down the toilet and basically went back to the same sponsorship package from last year. I mean if yall didn’t want her help then what was the point of asking her to do it? She does this for a living she knows what she is talking about.

You and your wife's help was greatly appreciated. But i don't remember anyone other than you asking for your wife to help. If I understand correctly, you volunteered to help and your wife wanted to help you because as you mentioned, she does this for a living and she wanted to support you. Again, you both were very generous with your time and it was very much appreciated. The executive decision was made to lower and simplify sponsorships levels, but in no way should it have been a slap in the face to you two and your ideas on the project.

As I have no dog in this fight, I may be out of line saying this, but IMHO, Some people feel more at home in a "sturctured club" with Full club officers and national officers. I was a member of an MC that I wont name and It was very structured and a bit tedious. There was always some political drama (usually brought about by personal drama) that threatened to cause a rift between members and chapters. I was and am attracted to JN because of their structuring (or lack therof). Again, I dont know a lot of you personally yet, but look forward to participating and getting to know everyone, Including the OJC guys. any club, be it a Jeep club, MC, RC, or the Loyal order of the water buffalo, is only what each and every MEMBER makes it and each member gets out of it what is put into it. Keeping in mind that everyone is different and has different opinions, therefore in a club that is this size, or one that has only one chapter and 9 members, there will be a difference of opinion and occasionally some hurt feelings. We all have two things in common: Jeeps and Wheeling and thats what holds things together.

Just my .02

1st...Sas...funny

2nd...I thought about just leaving all this along because truthfully I don't give a shit about it and was just trying to "spice" up the forum as I stated in another post

But then there's this....

Sunburst JK wrote:

It really has nothing to do with power. All we wanted was a group of friends that will support each other. If someone asks for help then you help them. If someone offers help dont refuse it. Its about respect and being genuine. Not a half assed group that is run mostly by posting your ideas. Its what happens in the real world that matters. I love the idea of Jeep Nation. Most of you are great. I understand that this is a forum. There is really nothing here but text. Some people mean what they say, others just shoot something off because it sounds good. I can respect anyone that stands behind thier words.
By the way, collecting dues not only helps out with what people ask for. IE stickers, shirts ect...... It also weeds out the people that join because its there. People that would rather sit behind thier computer and write posts. I want to wheel and have fun with people that care and will be there. If you dont have the passion to put up then maybe you should hang it up?
I know that this will bring all sorts of negative comments. The main building blocks of our new club, is built on what Renee wanted when she first started. I am sorry that it has come to all of this trouble for everyone. When the dust settles I hope that we can sharethe trails and just have fun.

Now you opened up this can of worms.

Now I don't know whats been going on in Waco. I don't know the behind the scenes of TSJM. I understand that not everyone will like everybody (human nature). As far as "clubs" go...I don't give a shit. I don't wheel with a club, I wheel and hang out with like-minded fellow Jeepers. We all come from different paths/backgrounds but have one thing in common...the Jeep...and because of this we grow together and help out each other when we can.

Now when I read your above post...I get the feeling that you have not been able to experience that and feel thats not what this group of people do. Sorry for you bud, but I believe you couldn't be farest from the truth and thus my current thoughts of being on the defensive for others that read this now and in the future.

only some examples to correct your statement, and I speak only of which I know of:

Jeff has already mentioned a couple with Jody.
This "orginal" Housotn group gets together for an install party. We learn from others how to do this and how to do that. We then help out the next group that comes along, so forth and so forth. The best example for this is Steve, IMO. I think he kinda took on the "responsibliity" of showing others how to install small lifts and such and thus given George the ability to move on helping with more difficult/extreme mods that others want as they gotten more experience behind the wheel.
Ron hurts his back. Ron buys anti-rock from Jeff. Because Ron is unable to at the time, Jeff takes it upon himself to install the anti-rock for Ron.
1st TSJM, Cody breaks his shit. George and Joe (bodyguy, not even a part of JN, I don't think) help get him mobile again. At the sametime, me and others get a basic understanding on what to if such a thing happens on a trail.
Last time out at Long's, Richard breaks...some of the SA group (sorry not sure who all) help along with George and Phil (again he's not part of the JN) get him mobile again.
do I really need to continue? Only to clear things up, I didn't mention myself because I'm the dumbass remember. LOL, no honestly, I think I know more than I give myself credit for, but if someone needs a hand...give me a wrench and just tell me what to do.

Now lets take the Jeep out of the equation:
If memory serves me right, some of the SA group helped a member move.
George's parents' house goes up in flames...here we are, giving a helping hand
George re-shingles his roof, I got nothing better to do...I learn a little more about roofing
Tony goes to the hosiptal...Tony gets visitors and prayers sent his way
Other had family members health problems...thoughts/prayers go out
do I really need to continue?

Now lets take the Jeep and other problems/issues out:
We still hang out with each other (dining, BS'ing around, drinking (of course limited to a minium), etc...)
Steve's daughter in a school play...who's there in support
I'm sure the SA group has there own..in fact I know, because Brandi and I crashed a little dining out while on our honeymoon
do I really need to continue?

My above are examples of what happens in the "real world." And I sure many others could add to my little list. If you have yet to expereince anything like the above, I'm sorry but I don't think it would be because of us (this group)

In your post you state "...some people mean what they say, others just shoot something off because it sounds good..." To whom and what are you referring to?

Now I/we (this group) can post whatever and give each other shit all the time, but when it comes to defending...we stand united with some of us being more hard-headed than others...lol

Moving back to you clubs dues: so the it also pays for stickers and t-shirts...I take it that means your club stickers and t-shirts will be freely given out to members after they pay. So how many stickers/shirts are given to each member. I ask cuz most places will make a sticker/t-shirt and just sell them that way. So what else does the $$ go to when you state "...ect." Just curious

"If you don't have the passion to put up, then maybe you should hang it up?"

for what its worth, I have no ill will towards you or justin or the new club and look forward to wheeling with ya at some point

...werd

justinajeep wrote:

The picture showed us taking off the jeep nation stickers so we can put our new ones on....but here is my .02, I never had problems with yall until I noticed how the chapters are not really affiliated with the club...the Houston chapter bitched about how the SA chapter had more pull over things than the other chapters. I’ve talked to some other Jeep Nation members who are not in the Waco chapter and they feel the same about this as I do. I can’t say who, because yall will just hang them out to dry like you are trying to hang me out to dry.

LMAO, H-town peeps upset becasue the SA peeps had more pull. Not even close. We're all friends, even though we give each other a bunch of shit. Hell, I dog on Cody's ass pretty hard, but it's all in good fun. Besides, what kind of pull are you talking about? Most of on this end-o-the-state don't see this as a club per se, more just a collection of friends that like to get together to wheel from time to time.

LOL, no drama

Hell George, Steve, Tim and the gang drove all the way from Waller to Katy to put my piece of crap on a trailer when I had my wreck. Didn't even flinch when I called for help.

Same thing when I wrecked my face, except Steve and Shannon made me laugh when I got out...that kind of hurt lol.

We're just one big dysfunctional family!

You have given some great examples of what it is to work together and help one another out. However again people fail to actually read things before they act. Did I or did I not mention that some of you do these things????? I am not calling out the people who are genuine. I respect people for what they do and how they do it. We were asked by many as to the reasons for the split. I started to give you some and you took it in a whole different direction. Best part is some of you started taking it as a personal attack. What I said was not an attack but rather an explanation. If you are uncapable of understanding that I am sure that I can further explain this. To the rest of you whom understood what I said thank you for your understanding.

We're just one big dysfunctional family![/quote]

LOL LOL.... and there is NOTHING wrong with that!!!

terrahawk wrote:

Most of on this end-o-the-state don't see this as a club per se, more just a collection of friends that like to get together to wheel from time to time.

Amen. This is what the JN was originally all about. it was a "club" in the looses sense. When it grew... so did the need for some semblance of structure. hence the introduction of officers. But, it's work. and for big events, it's a lot of work. that's why chapter leaders were needed. mostly just to coordinate gatherings, runs, etc. members go on runs all the time w/out the chapter leaders or officers. We are not the End All. The BUCK does not stop here. Most of the time the members get themselves together for runs and it works. I don't want alot of rules. I DON"T want to have to enforce rules. Been in other clubs like that and when it becomes more work than fun I lost heart and lost interest. I love my jeep and enjoy the ppl I've wheeled with from JN or just ppl we've met on the trail. I won't like everyone and everyone won't like me. that's life. I want to have fun wheeling.

K.I.S.S. - keep it simple.

both of these threads bring so much ghey to this forum, i want to delete them on general principle

You guys from waco are the sorriest kind of fag.........you get all butt hurt about nothing , as much as you take it up the ass , i would expect your sphincter muscle to be so streched, it wouldent hurt anymore

whine about all the problem, but do nothing to fix them, ask everyone to pm you so your concerns are not seen in public........fucking sorry excuses for jeepers.................












oh.......and the outlaw logo is almost as gay as the jeep nation logo........almost

they both qualify under the "nothing but steers and queers in texas" policy

Thanks for bringing some class back to the forum

Geo strikes! LMAO!!!

jdldx3 wrote:

Thanks for bringing some class back to the forum

fuck it, i dont hang out here to make you happy, i hang out because we can say whatever we want, regardless of who it pisses off..............

trust me i piss off just as many folks in real life...........


but it would figure our resident facebook fanboy would get offended

redneckhouston wrote:

jdldx3 wrote:

Thanks for bringing some class back to the forum

fuck it, i dont hang out here to make you happy,

Neither do I.

redneckhouston wrote:

i hang out because we can
say whatever we want, regardless of who it pisses off..............

trust me i piss off just as many folks in real life...........


but it would figure our resident facebook fanboy would get offended

Not offended here, just saying what I want about another of your typical posts